My only hope is to outlive the Elders that I served with, just to go to their funerals and say, I told you so!
James Jack...may God grant you your wish!
minimus former jw, prolific poster on jwn died.. minimus.
joined 19 years ago.
started 4,139 topics.
My only hope is to outlive the Elders that I served with, just to go to their funerals and say, I told you so!
James Jack...may God grant you your wish!
minimus former jw, prolific poster on jwn died.. minimus.
joined 19 years ago.
started 4,139 topics.
It would be good to know how Minimus passed away...I hope I'm not out of line for asking...unless of course the family prefers to keep it private.
My condolences to the family!
a few months back, one of my uncles who was an elder, asked the co, why jehovah would allow the door to door preaching work, to come to an abrupt end.
this was when my uncle was starting to have serious doubts about the organization.. the co told him to be patient, and hang in there, because the governing body was on top of things and in time would explain what is happening regarding the preaching work.. my uncle asked; “what do you mean?”.
co said; “focus on the wt study articles in the coming months” .
The Jehovah’s Witnesses door to door preaching work has been for the last 15 years or more fruitless & unproductive. I've been in circuits that boast having upwards of 300 to 400 regular and auxiliary Pioneers...yet when it comes time for the baptismal talks at JW circuit assemblies the speaker finds himself talking to 1, 2, or 3 and sometimes zero baptismal candidates. It is rare that any of those getting baptized are outside adult converts...mainly just very young children of JW families. Circuits could have 1,000 Pioneers...that still would not improve productivity...the WT/JW cult message is not welcomed anywhere! This deadbeat JW parasite religion is a thing of the past...IMMHO!
i’m reservations, pimo elder.
i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?
any ideas?.
I would imagine there are a ton of JW elders reading this thread who are currently experiencing the same struggles & can relate to your predicament Reservations. The following advice from truth_b_known will benefit y'all:
firstly i appreciate the work mark o’donnell does for the xjw community.
no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.
but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.
joe134cd...point well taken!
Lesson for everyone (based on your illustration) pay your damn taxes & you have less to fret about!
firstly i appreciate the work mark o’donnell does for the xjw community.
no doubt this has also been discussed numerous times before.
but with regard to those documents that were illegally stolen in that vice documentary.
I believe this was the conversation that took place between the Palmer congregation elders where the child sexual abuse documents turned-up missing and WT Headquarters:
Palmer Congregation Elders: "Hello WT legal...we thought you might want to know that a ton of secret files...many containing cases of child sexual abuse that we've handled over the years are missing and we think they've been stolen. Should we press charges against the perpetrator?"
WT Legal Department: "How in the hell did that happen...didn't we give you instructions a while ago to destroy secret files and folders of that nature? No dammit...don't press charges...you might open-up a pandora's box & a can of worms of trouble for us here at Bethel! Sit tight...let's hope the police and the media don't find out!"
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so, my spies tell me that the east pennines a$$emb£y hall is being sold and all proceeds going to jobo hq.
there's a surprise.....not!.
i understand there are other properties too.
Once they own your AS(S)...they can sell it whenever they want without any opportunity to challenge that decision.
Sorry George...couldn't help it!🤣
08:30 - 15:30 = school.
08:30 - 15:30 = school.
08:30 - 15:30 = school.
No flirting
No dating
No prom night
No extracurricular school activities
No school politics
Not allowed to hangout with school friends to do kid-related stuff
i don't suppose anyone knows for sure, but do we have any kind of hint of what would happen if all of the governing body members died at the same time- such that nobody was left to appoint successors?
in lieu of any solid evidence, i'd also be interested in hearing some speculation based on what we already know about the organizational structure.. it would certainly throw a wrench in either the teaching that the faithful and discreet slave will survive into the great tribulation and/or the implied doctrine that the the gb succession arrangement is justifiable biblically.
let me firmly disclaim any implication that i am encouraging violence or wishing death on the governing body.
If all GB members died at once?
One can dream...can't he!
in my opinion, in a body of elders let’s say with 7 elders , 2 or 3 were pretty much on the ball.
they were reasonable, intelligent and moderate.
the others were either extremely extreme about everything or very liberal.. did you have qualified older men or were they all lousy to you?
"...but in common with nearly all Congregations, Pastoral Care was/is virtually non-existent."
Most (90%) Elders, out of necessity, come across as leutenants, company men, yes-men and enforcers of WT's unscriptural doctrines. You'll see very few with genuine people skills or who excel in good-bedside-manners!
So in answer to the OP...No! Very...very few WT/JW elders quality to serve the needs of the rank & file!